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According to my brother, Sands is Gandalf Pony.
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Post by Shifting Sands on Sept 1, 2014 20:57:43 GMT -5
| The stallion still had that annoying little grin of bemusement, setting the pipe in his mouth only while Sugar was speaking.
"Where I'm from, there are no 'street lights', and often no candles. Equestrians were not always so well developed, and yet we survived even then. Now is no different, simply a matter of choice." He paused long enough to puff on the pipe with the air of an old man, taking his time and sending out a few practiced rings in the air. Close up, he didn't really look all that old; he simply wore the weight of more years than anyone would expect at that age. "At the same time, a world without change is a world that goes stale. To go on and on forever, without progress, would make us all stagnant. We might even regress, down paths of danger and despair." Those words grew heavier and heavier in the air, accompanied with the growing smell of tobacco smoke. Puff. Puff. Sands wore a deeply thoughtful look.
| Turning his head to regard the newcomer of their little road pow-wow, who was apparently using him as a shield. His features eased back into gentle contentment. "You have the look of someone who appreciates the old ways. What do you think of all this?"
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Post by Sugar Sweet on Sept 1, 2014 21:04:22 GMT -5
She looked at the newer pony with a flat look, and pointed to her lunchbox first, then her sleeping bag.
"It'll rain eventually," She said primly, "And when it does, I'll be ready for a storm."
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Post by Zeila on Sept 1, 2014 21:21:15 GMT -5
She continued to listen to the two before giving a slight sniff of the air as she smells the pipe smoke as he puffed it out and continued to state his option on the lifestyles of the ponies that followed the old ways compared to the more technology focused ones that the other pony wanted to create. She would slowly back away from him but was soon caught in his sight and asked the question,"Uh...well honestly...I..don't...uh...mind either way." She says looking away from both of them.
"From what I am understanding you...uh both have valid points. Though I think...you both are...refusing to see a...common point.", her hoof kicks the ground looking away again as she starts to state her opinion. "I mean would it...be so hard to have a town run but this...uh..Lightning Capture Device but also relies on the old ways to light the towns?" Her breathing would hasten a little as she tried to get all the words out quickly so not to keep the attention on her for too long.
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According to my brother, Sands is Gandalf Pony.
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Post by Shifting Sands on Sept 1, 2014 21:38:01 GMT -5
| Rather than being annoyed or put off by anything, Shifting Sands just chuckled. "I prefer not to to 'refuse' any point, however I feel about it. Everyone is bound to think differently, and won't change just because you think of something else. I am interested in your idea of this as well, that is why I asked you. Both of you," he added, smiling at Sugar. It was likely that his ingratiating little smile, however genuine, could start to get on a person's nerves.
"Refusing to bend is bad for business, after all. I must be able to serve all sorts." Puff. "So tell me, friend. How do you see our points being reconciled?"
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Post by Sugar Sweet on Sept 1, 2014 22:31:55 GMT -5
"Why have both, when you can have the obviously superior one?" She asked, honestly not understanding, "It seems a bit redundant to me. Like they have a lack of faith in the new tech, and an overabundance of faith in the old methods."
She looked at the pair of ponies helplessly. They seemed to be one of those ponies. Both of them, mind, to a degree. The old-looking-but-not-so-old-looking one seemed to question everything she did, and the other hooded-mysterious-and-obvious-observation one simply didn't seem to like the idea either way.
I need to start pandering to a much younger crowd she thought helplessly.
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Post by Zeila on Sept 4, 2014 2:13:16 GMT -5
"Well what makes you think other ponies are willing to change so easily especially for something that isn't as reliant?" she blurts out with a bit of a attitude to her voice now. Her head slowly raising as she looks to the other mare who only seemed to look a head without compromising. "Your idea may not be wrong but it relies on the fact that the weather team in a town has to have enough lightning to power your devices or use the random storms generated in areas like the Everfree forest." She may not have much knowledge when it comes to the mechanisms that run this device but she had a slight idea on how ponies might scrutinize a idea if the idea is not too reliable. She didn't want to knock down her dreams or anything but have her think it through a bit more thoroughly.
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Post by Sugar Sweet on Sept 4, 2014 9:25:13 GMT -5
Enough power!? Enough power!?
"I'll have you know," Sugar said, trying hard to stay calm with actually decent success, "That lightning, and this is only one strike by the way, can generate voltage differences of, potentially anyway, several hundred million volts. A typical bolt of lightning generates ten to the power of twenty electrons in the fraction of a second! If you're not a mathematical savant, like myself, to put it in its simplest form in terms of numbers, one lightning bolt generates up to one hundred quintillion electrons per bolt! That makes a current of almost ten kiloamperes, or several hundred megawatts, which is more than enough to be reliable!"
She took a breath, then continued.
"It only take approximately 0.54 amps to power a 60 watt lightbulb, which is all Canterlot is going to need for it's street lamps. They need to be bright enough to see by, but not too bright as to blind the poor pony walking under it. So! With approximately ten kiloamps to every strike, and about one thousand amps to every kiloamp, I have deduced that you would have to have over twenty thousand streetlights active all at the same time to not have enough energy to power Canterlot's lights! And why in Equestria would you want that many lights in the first place!?"
She seemed to be getting quite upset about all this, as she slowly degenerated more and more in ranting instead of explaining.
"If I combine it with a strong enough battery held in a controlled environment beneath the mountain Canterlot stands on, And run powerlines from the battery to the lights, it would make everything so much easier! Lights in the castle! No more excessive heat from flaming torches, and oily smoke from said torches! Clean, dependable and completely and utterly without fault, because we barely even have to change our daily lives! A thunderstorm would generate enough power to sustain the city for weeks before the energy finally disperses completely as heat..."
Finally, she went quiet, looking at her hooves. When she spoke again, it was in a level tone, and quiet.
"Where would we go, if we didn't start looking forward?"
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Post by Zeila on Sept 4, 2014 23:42:54 GMT -5
She jerked back a little as the mare started to rant at her giving her a two hooves full of what she thought and how thoroughly she thought things out. "I-i'm sorry..I...didn't..I mean..." She looked down at her hooves again feeling like a complete arse at this point, sure she really had no idea what it took to completely run a system like this or how much power was behind a lightning bolt. "I...just wasn't sure if...the machine was reliable.", after saying that she slowly slicked back behind the stallion.
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According to my brother, Sands is Gandalf Pony.
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Post by Shifting Sands on Sept 5, 2014 10:13:00 GMT -5
| Making no attempt to get in the middle of the other two's debate, Shifting Sands just smoked quietly and waited for a lull. When it did come, he took his turn at the discussion.
"You show you've put in much thought about this," he said with a nod. "As you should, for such things can be dangerous if not created with every detail in mind. Yet despite your facts and figures, and the good and bad your device would bring (for all things have a measure of both), some will choose not to listen. Some are content with their ways, both old and new, and will refuse to change so easily--even if great change bring about great good." He shifted his seated position slightly, making it not quite so easy for the cloaked mare to hide behind him. Seemed Sands was surreptitiously keeping her in the conversation, whether she'd really want to be or not. True, she could just leave at any time; whether or not she wanted to was the only question there.
"There is a mineral found in the Sand Sea that is treasured by my people. It is of a crystalline nature, faceted and smooth with a formed shape untampered with by pony hooves. It comes in many colors, all beautiful, but the most prized is white." He took his pipe out of his mouth to tap it out, contents burned beyond recognition or use. Still, maybe out of habit, he stuck the now non-smoking pipe back in his mouth. "These crystals are used to decorate our tents, be it tied to the poles of a pavilion, or at the very top of a center support, to greet the sun outside. All day they gleam in the light, and in the evening when Luna arises, we continue to enjoy her sister's glow. They are called Sun Stones," he explained.
"Each day they harvest the sun's rays, a bounty otherwise unharnessed, and at night it is leaked back out into the darkness. I have no facts or numbers to give related to their operation, but they are, as you say, 'clean energy'. And these stones have been known to my people for generations, longer still than the use of fire. In a way, they remind me of what you are attempting, and yet they are of the old ways. To promote your own plans and change the future, you must also take into account those who are firmly in the past. Expand your mind, so that you may expand theirs. Fire, too, was once feared."
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Post by Sugar Sweet on Sept 5, 2014 10:53:41 GMT -5
Sugar listened in rapt attention, already her mind was clinking away, whirring at the possibilities of these sunstones.
Then the meaning of his explanation hit home, busting through her fantasies and hitting her hard.
"I-" She stammered, looking at her device, "But it's-" frantic gestures to the device, then to the sky, "It'll-" a look to the pair she was speaking with. Her lower lip trembled, and she looked down at her hooves quickly, her mane hiding her face from the pair speaking with her.
She was like this for a long time. You could almost hear the gears in her head turning as she both tried to force her lip to cooperate, and to try and figure a way out of this. But there it was. Doubt was looming in her heart, and it was squashing her resolve. This wasn't the first time an argument like this had been made to her, but this wasn't a committee or a board, or even just a client, telling her they didn't like it, and that it sounded dangerous. No, this was two complete strangers, telling her basically the same thing
New is Bad.
Tears welled up in her eyes, even as she tried to fight them down, and she held back a sniffle. She spoke, without looking up this time. It had been several, torturous minutes.
"You don't think it will work..."
It wasn't a question. No, it was her admission. A statement that wasn't, in her mind, to be questioned, or reconciled.
It was not a good sign. Her mood had taken a dramatic swing towards depression as, once again, she was (in spirit and in her mind) rejected. Before she even started.
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Post by Zeila on Sept 5, 2014 20:20:37 GMT -5
Zeila looked up from behind the stallion now that he adjusted himself so that she wasn't able to hide as easily. As she listened to him talk to the mare explaining how a culture of ponies may not be so readily to shift from one idea to another she would see the other mare's expression change and her head for the first time since arriving on the scene her head lower. She felt a bit of sympathy for the mare and looked to her.
She hesitantly and slowly set the saddle bag she had on for most of the conversation down behind the stallion then slowly walk over to her,"Uh listen...I...I think it will work well especially with as much thought you put into it.", she would lean down a bit trying to get to her level,"You just need to expect some resistance when wanting to improve things, as long as you are willing to be flexible and adapt." She would give a small chuckle and smile to her,"You won't fail." She knew next to nothing on how this would work or how it might affect pony societies but she knew being open minded to things would make life easier for all.
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According to my brother, Sands is Gandalf Pony.
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Post by Shifting Sands on Sept 5, 2014 20:55:27 GMT -5
| Shifting Sands had closed his eyes briefly while he reflected, and when they reopened, he raised one brow slightly, his tone holding notes of surprise. This...had turned unexpectedly. "I don't recall saying anything like that," he replied. "This is work and results of something you obviously love, and should let no one turn you from your chosen path; however, my intent is this: if this be something you wish to give to the world, to better the lives we live--as it seems you do--it is important to remember those for whom it is made. By the sound of it, many toils will indeed be made easier by its introduction, but not all people think they are ready for such change." Sands paused as Zeila said her piece, the stallion nodding softly in agreement. "Exactly so. I would add that you will only fail--" he whipped the pipe from his mouth with the crook of a foreleg, swiftly pointing it at the distressed Sugar "--if you allow the mere words of others to bar your way."
"Tell, had neither of us come here, would your experiment have gone any differently? Would your voltage, kiloamps, and watts have fluctated at all, whether or not we all shared this conversation?"
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Post by Sugar Sweet on Sept 6, 2014 7:10:53 GMT -5
It was obvious. She'd taken everything he'd said the wrong way. He hadn't said she'd fail, he hadn't said she was wrong. But her doubts were clouding her thoughts, and she could only think of it that way.
"I've heard the speech before," She mumbled sadly, "Just before my work was thrown away like common trash."
She picked at the ground beneath her with a hoof, then looked back at her machine, a glorious work of mechanics and magic. A possibly world changing invention that could change the face of equestria, and put her name up in the lists of ponies like Starswirl the Bearded, Princess Platinum, and Clover the Clever.
But all she saw was a failure.
"Maybe you're right..." She said softly, "Maybe it's too dangerous. Maybe it's not reliable..."
Maybe she should've made things differently. Maybe she should invest in decent metals that weren't randomly around her shop. Maybe she shouldn't have made it at all. What if it explodes in the face of the first pony that used it? What if the battery overloaded? What about the lightning rod? What if it couldn't take the heat or energy of a thunderbolt?
What if Sugar, despite all of her calculations and thought, was in fact wrong?
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Post by Zeila on Sept 7, 2014 8:45:41 GMT -5
Zeila looks at the mare unsure what to do now it seemed like their words were only making her feel even worse about her project. She slowly walks back over to the stallion with a bit of concern on her face unsure of what to do next let alone if she would be able to help. "I don't know if we are making things better for her or not is there anything we can do for her now?", she asks him occasionally looking back at the mare as she seemed to look up at her device giving a look of failure.
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According to my brother, Sands is Gandalf Pony.
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Post by Shifting Sands on Sept 7, 2014 10:14:17 GMT -5
| Shifting Sands frowned slightly around his pipe, aware of Zeila's question but not answering immediately. And then-- "I may have some idea." But no one is probably going to like it...
"There is of course, a better way," he began, as if continuing the conversation where they'd left off. "We could forget all this lightning nonsense and go back to what works. Ah yes, can you see it? Instead of all those glass bulbs, we could use fireflies! Not as bright maybe, but at least they aren't dangerous. Or the old standby of horse-power! A team of ponies hitched up in an X pattern around a wheel, and by trotting along all day, they could surely pump enough water to reach most ponies' homes--though some of the folk near the edges of town might be left out. But I suppose that's just the way of things, since progress is just too dangerous. We might even have to outlaw fire, somepony could burn themselves. Don't you agree?"
| His absurd speech would appear to be directed as an aside to Zeila, intentionally loud enough to be overheard by the distraught inventor. To Zeila, Sands offered a wink. He hoped she'd join in.
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